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December 13, 2005

How Very Christian Of You

-- by Dave Johnson

California executed a man last night. How are the so-called "Christian Right" blogs reacting? With a blood-frenzy of delight, jokes, outright hate and joyful vengence.

Posted by Dave Johnson at December 13, 2005 12:50 PM

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Oh jeeze Dave, can you be more pathetically predictable in your defense of a worthless thug? Tookie brutally murdered four people (that we know of), started an terrorist organization that has been far more damaging to African Americans than Al Qaeda, never admitted his obvious quilt, and in fact threatened his jailors as he was being dragged to the death chamber. Oh, but he wrote books for kiddies and regretted what he did...Bullsh*t, he was a thuggish con man who sure conned you and the rest of the mewling left really good; he never apologized, as I said before threatened his jailors, and has inspired neo-Stalinist groups such as ANSWER in their determination to destroy everything half-way decent in society.

I did not take any joy in his death, I did not see it as justice or vengence just taking out the garbage so it stops sucking off the state.

Posted by: Pericles at December 13, 2005 1:32 PM

How very Christian of you.

Posted by: Dave Johnson [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 13, 2005 1:45 PM

Support for the death penalty is a valid theological position within Christianity. It is the anti-death penalty folks who are the ones outside the mainstream of Christian theology and tradition, lacking any scriptural support for their position.

Posted by: Rhymes With Right at December 13, 2005 4:29 PM

With a blood-frenzy of delight, jokes, outright hate and joyful vengence.

Oh Puhleeease!

The thug was executed according to the law - after some 20 years. If you think anything I said regarding Williams on my blog remotely resembles a "blood-frenzy of delight", you my friend must get excited about watching CSPAN.

Posted by: Cordeiro at December 13, 2005 6:16 PM

The blood frenzy occured with the death of 4 people. The only outrage seems to be about the punishment of the man responsible. There is no joy or delight. Just because your ideas about Christianity don't allow this position doesn't mean it isn't Christian. We do have compassion, especially for the victims of such crimes.

Prov. 21:15 When justice is done, it brings joy to the righteous but terror to evildoers.
Prov. 28:5 Evil men do not understand justice, but those who seek the LORD understand it fully.

Posted by: Mark at December 14, 2005 6:31 AM

Ah, yes, the blood lust of the extreme Right! Full of self-pity and burdened by their feelings of victimization, they actually think the Bible justifies this. Then how come even the Vatican opposes the death penalty?

Raw, naked one-note theology based on feelings of hatred for and fear of everyone else, justified by the certainty that all six of those who they KNOW follow the absolutely correct theology as interpreted by themselves based on unconscious motivations rooted in hate. Assuming there will actually be six of them left when they finish slugging out their theological nit-picking over Biblical interpretations before the Rapture. According to them, Heaven's gonna be pretty empty. I wonder what God thinks about all this?

Posted by: MJ at December 14, 2005 6:40 AM

"Support for the death penalty is a valid theological position within Christianity."

What are the Biblical underpinnings of this theory?

"Prov. 21:15 When justice is done, it brings joy to the righteous but terror to evildoers."

So, you're saying this implies support for the death penalty? If so, that means that when we see the death penalty done, we, the righteous, should feel joy? And that anytime any justice is done, it will bring terror to evildoers?

Prov. 28:5 Evil men do not understand justice, but those who seek the LORD understand it fully.

How do you conform this to the divergent strains of justice as seen by different Christian sects? And, while we're at it, how about the Muslims? They pray to the same god as well. Or the Jews? Not to mention all the other views of justice in the non-Judeo-Christian-Islamic world?

"It is the anti-death penalty folks who are the ones outside the mainstream of Christian theology and tradition, lacking any scriptural support for their position."

Will anyone volunteer a few verses? Do we have a Quaker on hand?

Posted by: Bribes [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 14, 2005 9:37 AM

If there is so much crime in the USA that you need to deter it with death sentences, that means that there is something very seriously wrong with the american society that needs to be changed. Barbaric practices such as the death penalty are not helping and are never going to help you improve matters. Such methods can only make more people in our humane european societies, think that America is unworthy to be considered a true western and civilized country.
To those Americans that point to evidence from the Bible to support the horrible, cold blooded murder, called legal execution, I would like to remind them the words that Jesus himself spoke to the Jews who were about to stone to death the woman who had commited adultery and should be executed according to the Jewish law: LET THE MAN AMONG YOU WHO IS WITHOUT SIN, CAST THE FIRST STONE.
I also find particularly appalling the existence of people who claim to be true christians and men of God, like the baptist pastor James Melton, according to whom the protection of the environment can only be achieved by the execution of criminals by hanging(!)in public(!) as he finds the method of lethal injection too good for them. He goes on further, by claiming that no further protection of the environment is needed because according to his infinite, "true christian" wisdom, the world will exist for at least 1200(!) years to come, which for the good pastor, is aparently an enormous duration.
Such are the people in the US, that support executions: people whose minds are filled with hatred, bigotry, religious fanaticism and ignorance.
However, I am certain that there are many people in the US, whose cranial cavities are filled with brains instead of excrement and who feel shamed and angered when they are confronted with opinions of fanatics. So, maybe there is still hope for America.
Theodore Boukalis
Athens, Greece, EU

Posted by: Theodore Boukalis at January 11, 2006 10:15 AM

can you realy be this confused dave ?
your views scair me

Posted by: ken at January 26, 2006 1:06 PM

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