January 14, 2006
-- by Gary Boatwright
Now that everybody has a Salon day pass, read Sen. Byrd's Dec. 19, 2005 speech Never have the freedoms we cherish seemed so imperiled.
Next consider this commentary about The Scandal Unfolds.
The Left Coaster has a story about how Bush secretly authorized domestic spying by the NSA months before 9/11.
Finally, (hat tip to Steve Soto at The Left Coaster) according to a new Zogby poll commissioned by After Downing Street.org a Majority of Americans Support Impeaching Bush for Wiretapping, if he wiretapped American citizens without a judge's approval.
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Why do you lie like this? Your whole argument is based on a false premise. President Bush isn't spying on Aunt Hilda. The program focuses on suspected al Qaeda terrorists and their associates, looking at communications with international sources.
Oversight? It's there and here's what liberal sources isn't telling you:
“As the Ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, I have been briefed since 2003 on a highly classified NSA foreign collection program that targeted Al-Qaeda. I believe the program is essential to US national security and that its disclosure has damaged critical intelligence capabilities”
Jane Harman of California, the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee
Posted by: Sickofspin at January 14, 2006 5:53 PM
And you know who Bush is spying on because Karl Rove told you? Of course Bush would never lie to a Democratic Senator and Democrats are never gullible enough to believe Bush's lies.
The there's the curious phenomenom of freepers never providing links. Links can be hazardous to your argument, because it would provide a date when Harmon made the alleged statement.
Who is this bipartisan or non partisan group who is doing the oversight here?
Can they get the names of who was spied on an when? Can they get a reason for the interest or a summary of where it went?
I think the whole mess is collapsing rather quickly, and I believe that it is because there are snitches everywhere.
They are all in it for what's in it for them and they are starting to turn on each other in desperation to save their own hides.
Posted by: grannyinsanity at January 14, 2006 10:55 PM
In 1998 Republicans learned a very painful lesson about how Americans view impeachment. Back then, we had poll after poll that showed that the majority of the American people were disgusted by Pres Clinton's behavior and wanted him impeached; We had pundit after pundit (Dick Morris) tell us how big a pickup in the midterm elections Republicans would have because of the impeachment process; so the Repubs went ahead and got burned. For the first time in years, their gains were reversed, and it took all the way till 2002 for them to start really gaining back what they had lost. In short, the American people were pissed and mistrustful of them even though they did exactly what the American people wanted (or so they thought)
The twin lesson here for you Dems is 1) do not trust polls, questions can easily be phrased to give the answer you want (i.e. if the question was "Do you think Bush should be impeached if he illegally wiretapped American citizens?" which is not happening. OTOH, the question could be asked "Do you think the President has the right to do warantless wiretaps on suspected terrorists?" which would give a majority in favor) and 2) If you go ahead with impeachment and try to overrule the will of the MAJORITY of Americans, you will pay a price at the polls for years.
But, go ahead and do it. I lean Repub (well, more likely I hate the culture of Big Government and Corruption that is the Dems trademark. Always has been, always will be) and it would be good for the Repub nominee in '08 (Rice anyone?) to have the American people pissed at the Donks over impeachment.
Posted by: Pericles at January 15, 2006 3:58 AM
Sorry Pericles. Big Government and Corruption is the hallmark of the Republican Party. Democrats are the party of fiscal responsibility and clean government. That's why we are going to clean the GOP's clock in '06 and '08.
Real Republicans will support Impeachement. The very few principled Republicans like Sen. Specter who can still stomach the corruption and abuse of the Bush/Rove/DeLay political machine favor Impeachment hearings:
STEPHANOPOULOS: You know, if the president did break the law or circumvent the law, what’s the remedy?
SPECTER: Well, the remedy could be a variety of things. A president — and I’m not suggesting remotely that there’s any basis, but you’re asking, really, theory, what’s the remedy? Impeachment is a remedy. After impeachment, you could have a criminal prosecution, but the principal remedy, George, under our society is to pay a political price.
Dear God, Gary, your powers of reading comprehension know no bounds!
But really, what Specter was speaking about is in theory impeachment is the remedy. He was not speaking about bringing hearings
Posted by: Pericles at January 15, 2006 8:23 AM
Poor Pericles. Still having trouble understanding the English language. Perhaps it is just a coincidence that Sen. Specter chose today to discuss the theory of impeachment. It probably has absolutely no bearing on Bush's illegal and unconstitutional spying on America citizens. Sheer coincidence. Happenstance. Serendipity. Doesn't mean a thing. Like dicta in the wind.
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