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June 22, 2006

Coulter or Hitler?

-- by Dave Johnson

I saw that Fox had Ann Coulter on today. Then i a ocmment I was introduced to the Hitler vs. Coulter Quiz.

Go see how any you get right. I got 8 of 14 correct.

Posted by Dave Johnson at June 22, 2006 4:11 PM

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Dave

Cool ... Pretty wild stuff

I ended up going 9-14 (admittedly, I was tempted to credit Coulter with all the answers)

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Posted by: JTD [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 22, 2006 7:29 PM

I got 7 out of 14 correct.

You know, when I think of these quizzes and such, I feel an errie parallel.

I took German courses for quite a bit. In one of my German Lit courses, there was a couple of paragraphs that we had to translate into English, Adolf himself. And it was really difficult, given that we were students of German, learning proper grammer and the like. The thing about Hitler was that he wasn't an "educated" sort...his German was as scattered as it got...so when I see the "mispronunciations" (and the rhetoric) of the current crop of fascists...it makes me wonder very much if it's calculated or not. Actually, really scares the hell out of me, is closer to the truth....

Posted by: Sporkey [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 23, 2006 1:39 AM

I got a 11. I had never seen any of the quotes before. Context and sentence structure is what I used for clues.

Posted by: Molly Bloom [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 23, 2006 6:14 AM

I was able to get 10 of 14, Hitler's (or his staff's) writing is much better than Coulter's, but the message is sure the same.

Posted by: john [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 23, 2006 6:23 AM

I got thirteen (13) correct. My method was to attribute all of the best writing style to Hitler.

Posted by: Aaron Adams [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 23, 2006 7:03 AM

Twelve for me. Entirely on prose style and nuances of diction and grammar. Would have got thirteen, but was convinced the last one was a trick. It wasn't.

So, except for tiny stylistic differences, the mush inside the heads of these two monsters is indistinguishable. No surprise there.

Posted by: richard [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 23, 2006 1:32 PM

I just did a search of Hitler's two major writings, Mein Kampf and his second unnamed book, and none of those quotes are anywhere in there. A quick thumb-through of Hitler's Table Talk does not yield any of the quotes, either.

This quiz is bogus and the supposed quotes attributed to Hitler are not cited. Hitler rants about Jews and Bolsheviks all the time, but the term "liberal" is used only one or two dozen times at the most in his works.

If you believe that the quotes are real, please cite the sources.

Posted by: Arcane [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 23, 2006 6:48 PM

First quote, go here and search for "magic": http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv1ch03.html

Second quote, go to http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv1ch04.html and search for "mortally"

Third quote, fo to http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv2ch13.html and search for "agitator"

Fourth quote, http://www.trybaja.com/poliphilo/hitler.html, search for "scum manufacture"

Shall I continue?

Posted by: Dave Johnson [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 23, 2006 6:57 PM

The sentence structure on the Hitler quotes is much more complex.

Is this real, or an artifact of the translation?

Posted by: lightning [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 23, 2006 8:10 PM

Arcane, if you didn't figure out that you simply replace 'jew' with 'liberal' in the Hitler quotes, and search from there, you're an idiot.

Otherwise, you're being purposefully deceitful.

9 of 14. I was thinking of basing my answers on diction, but I guess I overestimated Coulter.

Posted by: Bribes [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 23, 2006 8:44 PM

"Purposefully deceitful"? Who is deceiving here? Let's do a quote comparison to find out:

From the Coulter-Hitler Quiz:
"We must study this vile liberal technique..."

From Mein Kampf:
"We must study this vile Jewish technique..."

Next quote from the Coulter-Hitler Quiz:
"Taking these consequences into account, it is no accident that it is always primarily the liberal..."

From Mein Kampf:
"Taking these consequences into account, it is no accident that it is always primarily the Jew..."

Next...:
From the quiz:
"Hence it is that at the present time the liberal is the great agitator for the complete destruction of America. Whenever we read of attacks against America taking place in any part of the world the liberal is always the instigator."

From Mein Kampf:
"Hence it is that at the present time the Jew is the great agitator for the complete destruction of Germany. Whenever we read of attacks against Germany taking place in any part of the world the Jew is always the instigator."

...:
This last one is an accurate quote, although heavily edited for content.

Hitler was obviously not talking about liberals, so even though the "quote" was attributed to him, he said no such thing... unless of course you guys think that "Jew" is synonymous with "liberal" and "America" with "Germany" and its all a matter of translation.

But then, if it's a matter of translation, what if I pulled from your site every time you said "Republican" in a bad light and inserted "Jew" in its place? You would have hissy-fits, no, because it would be bogus, for you never said any such thing!

This is deceitful and not helpful in any manner to your progressive cause.

Posted by: Arcane [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 23, 2006 9:47 PM

Is this real, or an artifact of the translation?

It's a matter of translation... Hitler was a horrible writer.

Posted by: Arcane [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 23, 2006 9:52 PM

I've often said that one can get a good idea about where Coulter is coming from if you do it the other way around: replace "liberal" with "Jew" in all of her writings. In Germany, the Jews were responsible for all of society's ills. In today's Amurka, it's the liberals.

Oh, and Hitler hated the liberals, too, and claimed to be a Christian:

"The national government will maintain and defend the foundations on which the power of our nation rests. It will offer strong protection to Christianity as the very basis of our collective morality. Today Christians stand at the head of our country. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit. We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theatre, and in the press -- in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past years." -- Adolph Hitler (Taken from The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1, Michael Hakeem, Ph.D. (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pp. 871-872.)

Posted by: Jenius [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 24, 2006 12:13 AM

Perfect score! Woot!

And duh, of course some words were replaced to put them on an equal footing. Ann would be perfectly happy to rail against Jews if they were the preferred targets for demonization here. And yes, Hitler did hate what we Murkans call "liberals" although the European usage of the term "liberal" is very different than the US usage.

Posted by: Dr. Laniac [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 24, 2006 10:06 AM

12/14. Hitler had the more pretentious, more literary style, he pretended to be anti-bourgeois, and Coulter talks about America more.

Posted by: John Emerson [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 25, 2006 12:20 PM

I got 13 correct. Hmmm..

not sure why however...

Posted by: BadGimp [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 25, 2006 1:08 PM

I think Arcane is in denial. Doesn't Coulter claim that liberalism is a duality of religon? A few years ago I compared Hilter's quotes concerning christian religon with W quotes. It's hard to separate the two when you replace Motherland with Homeland. Oh, I got ten right.

Posted by: porsche [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 25, 2006 3:37 PM

11 correct but not based on any good reasoning.Just pure guess work.

Posted by: knras [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 25, 2006 8:22 PM

I think Arcane is in denial. Doesn't Coulter claim that liberalism is a duality of religon?

Yes, she claims that liberalism is a replacement for Christianity amongst liberals, a claim that I don't exactly buy.

A few years ago I compared Hilter's quotes concerning christian religon with W quotes. It's hard to separate the two when you replace Motherland with Homeland.

Comparing selective quotes is useless and is nothing but an attempt at intellectual masturbation. The body of words of people such as Hitler, Bush, Churchill, Stalin, Mao, etc. is so great that you can selectively quote and compare them forever and ever. Comparing them is as idiotic as the right-wingers who take Marx's Ten Planks from his Manifesto and compare them to quotes from Hillary Clinton.

How much more petty can you get?

Posted by: Arcane [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 25, 2006 8:30 PM

"The body of words of people such as Hitler, Bush, Churchill, Stalin, Mao, etc. is so great that you can selectively quote and compare them forever and ever. Comparing them is as idiotic as the right-wingers who take Marx's Ten Planks from his Manifesto and compare them to quotes from Hillary Clinton."

The beauty of this comparison, Arcane, is the extremity of the quotes. If you had a "Hillary or Hitler?" quiz and put in the most extreme Hillary quotes, and compared them next to these quotes, it'd be quite easy to separate the two. On the other hand, if you took some of the least extreme Hitler quotes, then you could compare that to whomever you wish.

Look at any of the quotes. Do you think Hillary Clinton could've said any, much less the majority, of them, much less Winston Churchill? It's the extremity of the quotes that separates this comparison out.

Otherwise, I do agree that this is mental masturbation. I don't think anyone denies that.

Posted by: Bribes [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 26, 2006 3:35 PM

I guess "extremity" is a matter of opinion. What's the difference between a supposed "vast right-wing conspiracy" and a supposed Jewish conspiracy to undermine the country? In the end, the result is an attempt to undermine influence of an enemy group, generally by any means necessary.

What's particularly funny about this is that Coulter gets you guys so wound up over yourselves that you guys go totally apeshit and lose all sense of objectivity. Nobody knows how to push your buttons like she does, and you guys keep blowing it all out of proportion. She has a small audience (less than 300,000), yet you guys act like she's getting ready to stage a revolution.

BTW, I consider Marx to have been an equal or greater evil than Hitler.

Posted by: Arcane [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 26, 2006 10:39 PM

Arcane, you can't see the difference between "Jews are pure evil and the source of all that's bad in the land; let's kill/expel/segregate/mass murder them" and "There's a vast right-wing conspiracy pushing politics to the right; let's make a vast left-wing conspiracy to counteract it"? Well, that explains a lot.

And stop with the statistics about Coulter's fanbase. She's been on all the major networks. Millions have seen her.

BTW, I disagree about the Hitler/Marx comparison.

Posted by: Bribes [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 28, 2006 12:36 PM

She's been on all the major networks. Millions have seen her.

Well, so have Dave Johnson... and Dennis Kucinich... and Kos... and Al Gore... and...

BTW, I disagree about the Hitler/Marx comparison.

Yeah, I was wrong, Marx is worse... Hitler's ideas killed 12 million; Marx's killed 100 million+.

Posted by: Arcane [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 28, 2006 7:17 PM

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