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August 21, 2009

Trusting Obama

-- by Dave Johnson

Has anyone been held accountable yet for the economic crash? Torture? Launching illegal war? Letting lobbyists write laws? Using terror alerts for politics? Other obvious violations of law?


Then I don't trust Obama either.

If Obama has the courage to restore the rule of law, talk to me then. And don't even me get started on his backing off the public option after the teabaggers started disrupting town halls. That just encourages the tactic, which is dangerous.

Posted by Dave Johnson at August 21, 2009 2:37 PM


Agreed on majority of your post there. The "teabagger" element has baffled me for a while, now. While I whole heartedly disagree with the baggers, and the people at the town halls, I have to wonder why it is a "dangerous" tactic. I can recall several disruptions far worse than those being executed by the republicans in my own party that resulted in much more dangerous situations. My liberal heart supports speaking out for your beliefs, and that support is extended even to those I disagree with. I see nothing wrong with "organizing" as again, my own party engages in such practices on a regular basis. It is how things are done. I don't see how one can make this statement with a straight face when we are bussing people in and paying them to organize as well. Nothing wrong with it, it's our right to do so. It's theirs too.
Referring to these people as "mobs" and "zombies" is ineffectual to our own cause, it only serves to makes the liberal party seem hypocritical.
Just my humble opinion.
I do wonder at this reaction.

Posted by: HewisL [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 22, 2009 8:32 AM

I'm talking about corporations organizing people to disrupt - not speak out at but disrupt - democracy to further their own profits. The written instructions call for people to stop people from being able to speak, call on them to shout down the Congressmember, and to otherwise disrupt the meetings.

This is dangerous, for corporations to get away with disrupting the orderly processes in order to block legislation and increase their own profits.

Posted by: Dave Johnson [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 22, 2009 9:09 AM

Dave, Its a real shame our world is run by these criminals, But what can we do?


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Posted by: zygor [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 23, 2009 9:27 AM

A bit disillusioned, are we? Not me. I knew exactly what we were getting: Obama's a centrist and a pragmatist, in the line of Bill Clinton (that the Executive Branch is full of Clinton Administration alumni is no accident). He's going to seek whatever he seeks as the center, and try and triangulate his opponents into a minority.

Dis-claimer: I voted for Cynthia McKinney, the Green Party candidate. I'm not arguing in favor of Obama, and I'd love to see him tear into the Republicans and shove a few steel rods up the ass of the Democrats in Congress to give them a spine. I'm just saying everyone's gotten what they should have expected, if they'd been paying attention. Why Obama is governing as if he were elected with 43% of the vote and a bare plurality, rather than a mandate, is beyond me.


Two problems with Obama's attempt at a Clintonesque approach to politics: a) he's black, and that still means something in this country, and b) far more importantly, the ultra-right has had fifteen plus years of practice at spoiling the milk and the Republican leadership in Congress have nothing to lose, being the minority party...

Look at Obama's approval figures: the lunatics who still ID with the Republican Party are in lock step against him (Zogby says that less than 6% of them give him a positive job rating), and he's losing the Independents (down to 40% approval rating)... while the Democrats, 84% of them, still give him positive ratings. This is hardly an environment in which triangulation and tacking to the center are going to get you anywhere. Obama and the Democrats think they're playing touch football, while the Republicans are turning healthcare reform* (and everything else) into a rugby match.

* My Congresscritter, Sam Farr, says what we're really talking about is "health insurance reform", NOT "healthcare reform".

I should also point out that he's had less than a year's worth of experience in the office... Clinton was much further along before he started to artfully outmaneuver the Republicans. We may yet see something come of this "art of the possible" approach (to quote Sam Farr again). Nothing along the likes of what we'd like, I'm sure, but at least a tiny incremental improvement on the lunacy of the last decade.

Posted by: Thomas Leavitt [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 23, 2009 7:22 PM

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